What are your expectations for the High-Level
Segment on Statelessness that will take place on
7 October this year?
engagement by the Bank in general in years to come
as the data (including the total number of stateless
persons and the nexus between statelessness and
poverty) becomes clearer.
I hope that the High-Level Segment on Statelessness
will generate significant pledges and media attention
that helps ensure that the momentum is kept and
that addressing statelessness continues to be on
the radar of the international community. In the
first half of the Campaign we’ve had a number of
achievements, including steady reductions in some
parts of the world, important law reforms, and
twenty accessions to the statelessness conventions.
I hope the High-Level Segment on Statelessness
will help us get to zero in terms of the number of
States that have gender discrimination in their
nationality laws, for example, and that we’re going
to see strengthened partnerships and commitments
by others in this area. It’s important to remember
that the High-Level Segment on Statelessness is an
opportunity for international organizations as well as
for states to make pledges.
The biggest challenge for the remainder of the
Campaign is resolving protracted statelessness
situations, such as in Myanmar. Here the issue
isn’t technical support; political shifts are required.
Our role is to keep these issues at the forefront of
international attention.
The adoption of the Global Compact on Refugees
at the end of last year and the convening of the
first Global Refugee Forum this year will change
the refugee landscape and UNHCR’s way of
working with governments and others in important
ways. Will statelessness figure in the Global
Refugee Forum and the work on the Compact
going forward?
I see statelessness as part and parcel of the Global
Compact on Refugees. It’s there in paragraph 83
because of the connection to refugee flows, but
the paragraph goes beyond that. Really when you
read it everything that needs to happen is there.
It is very positive that States wanted to have a
dedicated heading on statelessness in the Global
Compact on Refugees and that the Campaign is
mentioned. Having this in the Global Compact on
Refugees shows clear recognition of the issue. As
the High-Level Segment on Statelessness will take
place just before the first Global Refugee Forum, I
see the High-Level Segment on Statelessness as a
kind of launching pad for the Forum and the pledges
to be made there, including because we’ve said
that pledges made at the High-Level Segment on
Statelessness will feed into the outcome document
of the Global Refugee Forum in December. This
will ensure that there will be follow-up to the HighLevel Segment on Statelessness pledges and that
statelessness will continue to be on the agenda into
the future.
Where do you see the most potential for action for
the remainder of the Campaign? Related to that,
what are the main challenges that States are facing
and how can UNHCR help them to overcome them?
I see the most potential in bringing about legal
reform because this is ultimately how future cases
of statelessness can be prevented. States need to
ensure that no child is born stateless by eliminating
discrimination and introducing safeguards in
nationality laws. Not very long ago, before the
adoption of the Convention on the Elimination of All
Forms of Discrimination Against Women in 1979, over
half of the countries in the world had discrimination
in their laws that made it difficult or impossible for
women to confer nationality on their children. Now
we are down to 25 such countries. Another area
where I expect to see a lot of progress is data and
analysis. The Secretary-General’s new Guidance
Note on Statelessness calls on States to strengthen
data collection, and we are supporting this actively
with UNFPA and others. Statelessness is also part
of the remit of the new UNHCR-World Bank Joint
Data Center, and I expect we’ll see strengthened
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